WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. But was anything left out? The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? No such nebula is seen. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. 68-70. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Ridpath asserts. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. Several possibilities exist. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. Griaule either Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. McDaid, Liam. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall technological societies located on planet earth. extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Knowledge of the stars is not important Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. seem curious. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. But that isn't the only parallel. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. (Photo by John and Keturah. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. This is the original Dogon drawing. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. myths by confabulation." Am I getting too picky here? ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. 139-167. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. some 8.6 light years from earth. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? characteristics. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. astronomical information. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. Sagan, Carl. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. But other observers disagree. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Perhaps the source was Temple The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. by Liam McDaid. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." The Dogon and Sirius. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. But from whom? But that doesn't stop Temple. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. The Dogon and Sirius. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. The Dogon. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 I disagree. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. Copyright 19922023. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. 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